9 million visitors can’t be wrong?

This is what happens when a non-techie begins talking about tech stuff…

And what worries me is how politicians can use tech information, or misinformation as how Raul Lambino utilizes it, as propaganda.

Sigaw ng Bayan claims that their website has received 9 million hits in 3 weeks and, in the same breath, promptly claims that “Nine million represents almost 20 percent of the total number of registered voters.” (Source: Belinda Cunanan’s column).

Yuga and the rest of the blogsphere immediately responded, giving Sigaw ng Bayan a crash course in web analytics. And in case Sigaw ng Bayan spokesperson Raul Lambino doesn’t believe them, he can check out Wikipedia. All in all (and any techie worth his salt knows this), hits don’t equal to page visits. And page visits don’t necessarily equal unique visitors.

But Lambino still had to stir the hornet’s nest, posting a reply that would make any techie cringe. Jepoy dissects Lambino’s explanation, summarily describing the experience as “like a CISCO certified individual listening to a 1st year Nursing student trying to explain the very basics of the router.”

To be fair, some parts of Sigaw ng Bayan’s claims may be accurate, especially his claim that “daily access log reports amount to an average of 80 megabytes,” that it takes “20 minutes for a special software to analyze the daily logs,” that “visitor bandwidth usage averages 2 gigabytes daily for only around 200 pages.” But all those stats mean is that the website is heavily visited, and the jury is still out on whether or not these visits translate to actual unique eyeballs.

From that point everything goes downhill.

The www.sigawngbayan.com uses a static sitemeter simply because it relies on the access logs automatically rolled daily by its webhost providers. It does not employ free sitemeters that abound in the electronic world like those naysayers in the country who refuse to see anything good around them. Most free sitemeters come expensive actually as their providers flood administrators’ emailboxes with spam ““ unwanted emails ““ which come from third parties the freegivers share the user’s address to. This “œgateway” can be used by better-educated techies to enter into the bowels of a site, play around for sometime and leave the administrators with severe headaches. In short, we hold our site’s security very seriously and that credibility of statistics is the better judgment call for us rather than rapidity of reports, the latter serving only to satisfy the amusement of nosey know-it-alls.

Excuse me? I have tried Sitemeter and Performancing and I have not received any perceivable increase in spam. Besides, my email client (Thunderbird) does the job well of filtering out spam. Jepoy also mentioned that if he is so afraid of spam, why doesn’t he use a free email account instead.

Also, while the site owner may be afraid of placing javascript code (did he just call this a
“gateway?”) for the web counter, he does not exhibit the same fear when placing a javascript for the Google Ad.

We do not also use our webhost’s counters menu as they tend to display dissimilar hits reports as a site can be viewed either as www.sigawngbayan.com or simply sigawngbayan.com. Chances are, one URL or web address will be visited more than the other variant. We can only imagine how this seeming discrepancy would again be used to pummel our down-to-earth intent of promoting the People’s Initiative. We will not belabor the fact that the aesthetics of the pre-programmed counters of our webhost do not conform with our website layout using advance software.

Good excuse. But when I last checked, the site mentioned that there have been 898,000 visits since April 2006. So which is it, 9 million or 898,000? And, as Jepoy did mention, since when did CSS and HTML constitute advanced software?

Sigaw ng Bayan is full of propaganda-speak, describing the more technical knowledgeable detractors as elitists and praising the “lowly people, the poor, those who suffer away silently due to the state of affairs of this country, [who] would like to visit a site like www.sigawngbayan.com.” Yuga reacts: “Mr. Lambino must also be reminded that 99% of his so-called grassroots visitors don’t even have computers, much less internet in their own homes. They’d rather use their hard-earned Php25 for a kilo of rice than an hour’s rent in a net cafe.”

Even if the unlikely and improbable did happen and 9 million people did visit the site, it does not mean that all of them subscribe to Sigaw ng Bayan’s stance. Sigaw ng Bayan offers no venue for its readers to comment or to provide any form of feedback. To date, there are 13 links to the website (based on Technorati), a number of which don’t exactly see eye-to-eye with Lambino.

And while we are in the subject of rankings, Jepoy reported that Sigaw ng Bayan website’s Google Page Rank is zero. I checked Alexa and it is ranked 1,439,359. As a point of comparison, Inquirer is ranked 2,182. Pinoytechblog is 126,576. My own blog (Technopinoy), which doesn’t have much readers, is 322,414. Notice that I did not make any link to Sigaw ng Bayan, lest I add to its already dubious credibility.

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  • as soon as i read this “like a CISCO certified individual listening to a 1st year Nursing student trying to explain the very basics of the internet.” i stopped reading..

    so 1st year nursing are senseless when it comes to the internet..?

    i am not a nurse but this is uber-ly offending..

  • il be studying nursing

    and im soooooooooooo much into computers

    ………..

    goodbye pinoytechblog.

  • Best I think to make one’s point without offending anyone as it defeats the purpose.

  • “as soon as i read this “like a CISCO certified individual listening to a 1st year Nursing student trying to explain the very basics of the internet.” i stopped reading..”

    this is not good..

  • Mon didn’t say that, Jepoy did.

  • jepoy

    wow.. my post actually made it in ptb.

    Anyway, internet basics in a CISCO individual’s point of view is not limited to using one’s internet browser to browse the internet and check mails. It doesn’t mean if you’re into computers, have a blog, upload videos on youtube, download mp3s, got an uber friendster layout, IM or VOIP friends for homework, etc., you can easily explain the OSI layers completely right? It’s one of the basics 😉

    @banksxs – that comment doesn’t even cam from PTB, so why say goodbye?

    To no longer offend somebody else, i’ll be editing my original entry. Mon, please edit this too. 😐

  • im saying hello to ptb

    hello.. missed me?

  • Article modified to match Jepoy’s.

    BTW, similar to Jepoy’s arguments, just because techies get sick in a hospital doesn’t make them an expert in medicine. 🙂

    And if anyone cares to learn the basics of the Internet, a great source of information is Steve Gibson’s 2-part podcast. Files and transcripts available here (part 1 and part 2).

  • Siopao Master

    oh please!!

    enough idiots roaming the internet

    let me assest the situation:

    -an idiot claiming sigaw ng bayan reached 9 million hits?

    -> go back to nursery and start counting from 1-10 again

    -an idiot protecting sigaw ng bayan

    -> makes sense, birds of the same feather flocks together.

    -an idiot was offended because of the statement about the nursing student

    ->oh get a life! grab a syringe, turn it sideways, and smack it in your @$$

    OMG! I saw stupid people!

  • karlopogi

    “hey banksxs.. can you explain TCP/IP without googling? better learn to read first okay, it doesnt mean that if you use the internet, you can completely explain its basics, err!!!! ”
    – karlopogi – CISCO CCNA Instructor

  • @banksxs

    PTB doesn’t miss you

    one less idiot to bother their site wasn’t that bad

  • im sorry what..? assest..? who’s who now..?

  • To siopaoman,

    “an idiot claiming sigaw ng bayan reached 9 million hits?

    -> go back to nursery and start counting from 1-10 again”

    BTW, it is possible that sigaw ng bayan achieved the 9 million hits (as yuga mentioned), but to translate 9 million hits to 9 million people is nonsense.

  • aw cmon people someone just needs an education. they need to know something more. we always remember that learning is continuous and we dont know everything. there is some point in our lives that we dont know yet.

    so in that case… we just need to be informed.

  • sigaw ng bayan cannot achieve 9 million hits in just 3 weeks. It’s just plain bull

    gee, talk about fabricating data

  • actually, what i meant was its impossible for 9 million people to view…”

  • seriously “assest”..?

    a new word from an amacean who branded almost everybody an idot, assest..

    so this is the feeling of a CISCO certified individual listening to a 1st year Nursing student trying to explain the very basics of the internet.. exhilarating..

  • gee bloggementarist

    did you wet your pants?

  • siopai, pretty much.. (smirking while rolling my eyes)

  • Exhilarating experience? So you’ve finished taking CCNA and have listened to them freshies in explaining the basics like tcp/ip, OSI layers, other protocols, etc.? Wow! Good for you 😉

    Let me repost mon’s comment on my blog:

    Mon, at 5/23/2006 01:12:22 PM said:
    Actually, the comments did underscore the entire point. Just because somebody “uses” a technology doesn’t make him an expert.

    It would have been interesting if the posters were to explain the rudiments of TCP/IP…

    How about telling someone to stop writing tech articles just because she’s admitted being a noob? I’m not a journalist but that’s also uber-ly offending. 😉

  • jepoy, i am trying to teach someone a lesson here who obviously would like to gain respect by insulting other people, i did that by being sarcastic because he called me an idiot for finding your post offensive.. you retract, you edited your post, therefore, you are guilty.. i understand it hits you when i used your words and i am totally aware of that and as a matured citizen who knows and admit that he is wrong i apologize, but the way i use my words are far more different the way you use yours.. however i am not perfect, try searching a little harder and you might actually find something much, much offensive words from me than what you have said..

    let me just remind you, someone here called me an idiot for finding your statement offensive, you retract therefore you find it offensive too.. i believe he is your friend..?

  • vemsan

    “AMACEAN” sounds archaic. We pride ourselves in being an “AMA-er” or errr….”JOLINIANS”… 😉

  • But seriously though, do you think that 1st year Nursing students can explain the internet? No offense meant with this question, because the internet is actually quite complex and the reason why it appears so seamless to everyone is because it is quite elegantly designed.

  • “…you retract, you edited your post, therefore, you are guilty… let me just remind you, someone here called me an idiot for finding your statement offensive, you retract therefore you find it offensive too.. “

    No. I’m not guilty and I didn’t find your posts offensive. I changed my article for the other less fortunate ones to comprehend it better. As i’ve said before, using the internet doesn’t mean you can explain in detail the basics. But I think some of us still need a dose of Batibot everyday to comprehend my original comparison so I decided to edit it.

    “…i understand it hits you when i used your words and i am totally aware of that and as a matured citizen who knows and admit that he is wrong i apologize, but the way i use my words are far more different the way you use yours.. however i am not perfect, try searching a little harder and you might actually find something much, much offensive words from me than what you have said..

    Hits me? Umm.. not at all. Really. I just find it funny on how you emphasize a simple typo error. 🙂

    @vemsan – amacean? that’s old school. 😛 He may have seen that term on siopao’s tagboard.

  • correction:

    “…you retract, you edited your post, therefore, you are guilty… let me just remind you, someone here called me an idiot for finding your statement offensive, you retract therefore you find it offensive too.. “

    No. I’m not guilty and I didn’t find MY post offensive. I changed my article for the other less fortunate ones to comprehend it better. As i’ve said before, using the internet doesn’t mean you can explain in detail the basics. But I think some of us still need a dose of Batibot everyday to comprehend my original comparison so I decided to edit it.

  • Mon, my point on that is, why the comparison with the nurses..? why not 1st year IT students..? can they explain it better than the 1st year nurse students..? i dont think so..

    Jepoy, i already gave my apologies, so get over it..

    and unlike other people, i know where and when to apologize.. well, most of the time i do (smilie here)..

  • so you want me to enumerate every course available and attached “1st yr” to it?

    You did apologize but you also assumed that I retracted because I’m guilty, which is not.

  • enumerate then..

  • errr bloggementarist, you reacted, therefore you’re guilty being an idiot then?

    amacean? the hell did you get that term?

    BTW, I don’t believe in people having a hard-on explaining internet terms, you have issues man, better go outside of your room and meet some people, just my advice

  • talk to the hand baby..

  • but your hand is busy touching your…nevermind

  • pointless.

  • karlopogi

    wow bloggementarist, what a nice idea, why dont you first do it?, can your hand talk? ours certainly cant, if yours can, go to a Psychiatrist or to a circus.

  • well, just pucker up and kiss my a$$ then..

  • …. wow bloggementarist, now your being ghey…

  • but your a$$ is also busy with the candle..oh you pervert, what are you doing with the candle?

  • karlopogi, try watching an english movie and pick up some idioms.. just a suggestion..

  • well bloggementarist, that line usually used by actors who are in a ghey role….

  • i think ill stop now.. not because im tired or anything, its because what grown ups do..

    (walks away)

  • now now now bloggementarist, we all have our deep dark secrets, don’t be ashamed to share it with us, we understand you. We can “cure” that perverted mental disorder of yours.

  • awww… you made an old man cry 🙁

  • now he calls himself grown up, ok grandpa, whatever!! ~_~

  • shhh guys, have pity on him. We are here to cure him. He must stop hiding on his room wanking himself all day you know. He needs to know that there is more into life than porn.

  • is asking someone to enumerate every college course and attach “1st yr” a grown up thing? My, got Alzheimer’s disease or something?

  • now that i extended my apologies to the website owner, one last thing before i call it a day:

    jepoy: i ddnt ask you to do it, you offered it remember, and i said yes..

    siopai: dont you have anything else decent to say..? however, you made me smile actually.. “the hell” you are referring to where i picked the word “AMACEAN” is actually that thing you call blog, and that word originally came from one of your friends.. isnt that ironic..? lol..

    karlopogi: im sorry, why are you related to this conversation again..?

    to the three of you stooges: karlopogi, for not knowing what idioms are when you see one; siopai: for the word assest; jepoy: i ddnt asked you, nor i ddnt tell that journalist anything (figure it out for yourself), i would highly recommend you go back to elementary and learn your english 101 because oh my god, you need it so bad.. and while youre at it, brush up with your GMRC (Good Manners and Right Conduct) as well.. mahiya nman kyo dhil PinoyTechBlog ito, hndi ito ang lugar para ilabas nyo ang supressed aggression nyo.. me blog kayo, iyun ang dumihan nyo..

    Yuga, my apologies once again..

    tsk, tsk, tsk, kids..

  • ok since you suggested that we take English 101, maybe you’d like to join us? We could be your tutors. I’ve been reading your Friendster blog, and my… I think it’s you who needs some English 101. I admit my english is bad, but your Friendster blog is even worse.

    About the AMACEAN term, you actually think that the person who posted that term on siopao’s blog is his friend? May I suggest you take up Reading and Comprehension 101 too?

    Brush up our GMRC? Looks who’s talking. You’ve trashed the entire Pinoy Blogging community and here you are, telling us to show some good manners?

  • my my my bloggementarist, you left us last night becuase you have some perverted things to do and this is what we get? and stop calling me siopai for pete’s sake. it’s siopao, S-I-O-P-A-O.

    and you are here running your mouth about GMRC. Who in the first place had a climatic orgasm over CISCO? hmm…I told you that you have issues. Come on, go out, breath some fresh air, and stop wacking yourself. I know that you don’t have any friends or anything because of your err..mental disorder but there are trained professionals that can cure you. I do hope for your recovery, because I pity your cat for being the “recieving end”

  • bloggermentarist, nonetheless, do you think that most 1st year nursing students can explain the internet?

  • bloggementarist, im part of this conversation because I am a CISCO instructor, I’ve read jepoy’s blog and there is nothing offesive there, your just being over reacting on something, and please you have issues, call a professional for an advice, and btw get some eyeglasses, or maybe go back to nursery and learn how to read. get a life! ^_^

  • @karlopogi – ey mr. ccna instructor and former ccna classmate, what’s your opinion on this?

    @mon – i think the link above is enough to answer your question, which btw, can also be applied to mr wrencelot, aka bloggementarist 🙂

    So Mr. bloggementarist, may I repeat Mon’s question, do you think that most 1st year nursing students can explain the internet?

  • bloggementarist answer this also:

    What is the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars?

  • @jepoy – OMG! I cant stand it anymore, his stupidy is much more powerful than I thought! his stupidy skills is way off the chart!!!

  • i use 2 listen wwr but when i heard this 2 guys laughing and making jokes in the radio i never listen in that station again and guess what the tambalan was form in mar. 21 and that day my b-day oh men its nice 2 know it

  • OMG they are multpilying! One weirdo is enough please. Read carefully the posts before taking sides, just my advice

  • I believe the discussion here has veered away from the original topic so I am turning off the comments.