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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 02:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>moore is getting less .. when we received the award he shouted and speak up his views about their president , he turns the show into a den of crying wolf -- booing at him . boh boh bohh

i think more should stop his art before marilyn manson eats him alive ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>moore is getting less .. when we received the award he shouted and speak up his views about their president , he turns the show into a den of crying wolf &#8212; booing at him . boh boh bohh</p>
<p>i think more should stop his art before marilyn manson eats him alive ..</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 11:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t think the &quot;evil&quot; you were talking about was &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; evil. :lol: But thanks for clearing that up. Now your stance is much more clear to me.

But if you&#039;re Lauren, you just watched Sicko, and think that &quot;Moore attacks health insurers, health providers, and pharmaceutical companies by connecting them to isolated and emotional stories of the system at its worst,&quot; can you not propose a way to help companies fight what you really think is a one-sided attack?

My point is, we shouldn&#039;t be quick to condemn Google or Lauren as a sell-out or acting inconsistently with the &quot;do no evil&quot; motto. It could be just a harmless case of Lauren simply expressing her opinion, while highlighting a service that she believes will be helpful. Her infamous post isn&#039;t that different from &lt;a href=&quot;http://google-health-ads.blogspot.com/2007/06/do-people-watch-online-video-ads.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://google-health-ads.blogspot.com/2007/06/healthy-start.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://google-health-ads.blogspot.com/2007/06/going-online-for-health_18.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;that&lt;/a&gt; (pretty much all the posts so far). At least in terms of discussing a need (again, real or perceived), and showing how Google can address it.

Honestly, I think this whole brouhaha developed because someone once again declared their opposition to Michael Moore. I&#039;m not saying he&#039;s totally wrong, but when someone talks about what they think he&#039;s doing wrong, they get bashed. The latest victim is Google apparently. Even if a lot of other bloggers are attacking Google, I just don&#039;t agree with them.

The impression I got from Google&#039;s post was that it invited its employees to watch Sicko before all this brouhaha happened. I mean, Sicko debuted last June 29. While this controversy developed some time the next day.

As for your post&#039;s main point, I really think the last thing Google should do is exercise more control over what their bloggers say. As someone said (Michael Arrington?), we&#039;ll be losing a lot of insights into the operation of one of the most dynamic companies in existence today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t think the &#8220;evil&#8221; you were talking about was <em>that</em> evil. <img src='http://www.pinoytechblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  But thanks for clearing that up. Now your stance is much more clear to me.</p>
<p>But if you&#8217;re Lauren, you just watched Sicko, and think that &#8220;Moore attacks health insurers, health providers, and pharmaceutical companies by connecting them to isolated and emotional stories of the system at its worst,&#8221; can you not propose a way to help companies fight what you really think is a one-sided attack?</p>
<p>My point is, we shouldn&#8217;t be quick to condemn Google or Lauren as a sell-out or acting inconsistently with the &#8220;do no evil&#8221; motto. It could be just a harmless case of Lauren simply expressing her opinion, while highlighting a service that she believes will be helpful. Her infamous post isn&#8217;t that different from <a href="http://google-health-ads.blogspot.com/2007/06/do-people-watch-online-video-ads.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>, <a href="http://google-health-ads.blogspot.com/2007/06/healthy-start.html" rel="nofollow">this</a>, and <a href="http://google-health-ads.blogspot.com/2007/06/going-online-for-health_18.html" rel="nofollow">that</a> (pretty much all the posts so far). At least in terms of discussing a need (again, real or perceived), and showing how Google can address it.</p>
<p>Honestly, I think this whole brouhaha developed because someone once again declared their opposition to Michael Moore. I&#8217;m not saying he&#8217;s totally wrong, but when someone talks about what they think he&#8217;s doing wrong, they get bashed. The latest victim is Google apparently. Even if a lot of other bloggers are attacking Google, I just don&#8217;t agree with them.</p>
<p>The impression I got from Google&#8217;s post was that it invited its employees to watch Sicko before all this brouhaha happened. I mean, Sicko debuted last June 29. While this controversy developed some time the next day.</p>
<p>As for your post&#8217;s main point, I really think the last thing Google should do is exercise more control over what their bloggers say. As someone said (Michael Arrington?), we&#8217;ll be losing a lot of insights into the operation of one of the most dynamic companies in existence today.</p>
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		<title>By: yuga</title>
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		<dc:creator>yuga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 05:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, don&#039;t take the &quot;evil&quot; word as in morally, hell-bound, anti-Christ evil. I used it in context to &lt;a href=-&quot;http://investor.google.com/conduct.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;their motto&lt;/a&gt; &quot;Do no evil.&quot; as prefaced in their Investor Relations page. Think of it as the &quot;evil&quot; like anti-trust, monopolistic, capitalistic Microsoft like evil.

Her follow-up post only indicates she doesn&#039;t want her employer to take on her case. She called it a &quot;spin&quot;, CNN says the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/06/28/sicko.fact.check/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;facts are correct&lt;/a&gt;. I call it a sell-out -- defending capitalistic HMOs and advising them to advertise on Google.

There are so many angles to this issue, but you can read the over 120+ blogs who weighed in on her point. That and Google finally backpedaled and inviting all 1,000+ employees to watch Sicko that Turner bashed earlier, if that doesn&#039;t give you a hint of anything.

Then again, just read the title of my post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, don&#8217;t take the &#8220;evil&#8221; word as in morally, hell-bound, anti-Christ evil. I used it in context to <a href=-"http://investor.google.com/conduct.html" rel="nofollow">their motto</a> &#8220;Do no evil.&#8221; as prefaced in their Investor Relations page. Think of it as the &#8220;evil&#8221; like anti-trust, monopolistic, capitalistic Microsoft like evil.</p>
<p>Her follow-up post only indicates she doesn&#8217;t want her employer to take on her case. She called it a &#8220;spin&#8221;, CNN says the <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/06/28/sicko.fact.check/index.html" rel="nofollow">facts are correct</a>. I call it a sell-out &#8212; defending capitalistic HMOs and advising them to advertise on Google.</p>
<p>There are so many angles to this issue, but you can read the over 120+ blogs who weighed in on her point. That and Google finally backpedaled and inviting all 1,000+ employees to watch Sicko that Turner bashed earlier, if that doesn&#8217;t give you a hint of anything.</p>
<p>Then again, just read the title of my post.</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 02:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I agree that your coffin-maker analogy is a valid example of evil business practices (God knows how often that happens here).

Still, I can&#039;t find Google&#039;s actions evil. Sure, they joined the debate (on their own blog at that) to talk about their services. But that doesn&#039;t necessarily mean they&#039;re unconcerned about the health care industry. If you&#039;re talking about how you can fill a need, doesn&#039;t that imply a concern for the need itself?

Granted, there are people who only care about business. Yet Lauren&#039;s recent post isn&#039;t &quot;proof&quot; for &quot;conviction.&quot; To automatically categorize Google&#039;s advocacy of its own services as an evil business practice is a leap of logic.

Regarding the links you&#039;ve listed, both Google and Lauren have clarified their positions, saying that the latter&#039;s opinions aren&#039;t necessarily those of the former. Hardly an apology and admission of shortcoming IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I agree that your coffin-maker analogy is a valid example of evil business practices (God knows how often that happens here).</p>
<p>Still, I can&#8217;t find Google&#8217;s actions evil. Sure, they joined the debate (on their own blog at that) to talk about their services. But that doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean they&#8217;re unconcerned about the health care industry. If you&#8217;re talking about how you can fill a need, doesn&#8217;t that imply a concern for the need itself?</p>
<p>Granted, there are people who only care about business. Yet Lauren&#8217;s recent post isn&#8217;t &#8220;proof&#8221; for &#8220;conviction.&#8221; To automatically categorize Google&#8217;s advocacy of its own services as an evil business practice is a leap of logic.</p>
<p>Regarding the links you&#8217;ve listed, both Google and Lauren have clarified their positions, saying that the latter&#8217;s opinions aren&#8217;t necessarily those of the former. Hardly an apology and admission of shortcoming IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: yuga</title>
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		<dc:creator>yuga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 09:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point exactly, Rico -- Google joined in the debate not because it cared about the health care industry. Google joined in to advertise their services. It&#039;s like a coffin-maker knocking on a hospital bedroom of the just deceased pretending to give condolences and then pitches his company&#039;s premium gold coffins.

I&#039;ll repeat my last statement: If it were Yahoo or Microsoft, we wouldn’t react that much (just read all that blog posts ). But for a company who promises to do no evil, their position is totally a 180-degree turn away from it. 

One of Google’s self-proclaimed core values is “Our business practices are beyond reproach,” followed by “We make money by doing good things.” 

Meanwhile, Lauren Turner &lt;a href=&quot;http://google-health-ads.blogspot.com/2007/07/my-opinion-and-googles.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;followed it up with an apology&lt;/a&gt; and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007/07/google-and-health-care.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Official Google admits to the shortcomings&lt;/a&gt;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point exactly, Rico &#8212; Google joined in the debate not because it cared about the health care industry. Google joined in to advertise their services. It&#8217;s like a coffin-maker knocking on a hospital bedroom of the just deceased pretending to give condolences and then pitches his company&#8217;s premium gold coffins.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll repeat my last statement: If it were Yahoo or Microsoft, we wouldn’t react that much (just read all that blog posts ). But for a company who promises to do no evil, their position is totally a 180-degree turn away from it. </p>
<p>One of Google’s self-proclaimed core values is “Our business practices are beyond reproach,” followed by “We make money by doing good things.” </p>
<p>Meanwhile, Lauren Turner <a href="http://google-health-ads.blogspot.com/2007/07/my-opinion-and-googles.html" rel="nofollow">followed it up with an apology</a> and the <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2007/07/google-and-health-care.html" rel="nofollow">Official Google admits to the shortcomings</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Rico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I beg to disagree Abe. What&#039;s so evil about pointing out the (perceived) flaws of Sicko, saying it&#039;s the wrong way to do things, before showing how your product is a &quot;better way&quot;? 

Isn&#039;t this—trying to convince advertisers of your service&#039;s viability—just marketing in its most basic form?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I beg to disagree Abe. What&#8217;s so evil about pointing out the (perceived) flaws of Sicko, saying it&#8217;s the wrong way to do things, before showing how your product is a &#8220;better way&#8221;? </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t this—trying to convince advertisers of your service&#8217;s viability—just marketing in its most basic form?</p>
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		<title>By: yuga</title>
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		<dc:creator>yuga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 23:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How clumsy of me -- line corrected.</description>
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		<title>By: truth machine</title>
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		<dc:creator>truth machine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 22:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; Matt Cutts ... a huge fan of mine&quot;

How modest (or inept) of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Matt Cutts &#8230; a huge fan of mine&#8221;</p>
<p>How modest (or inept) of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Google hearts Sicko and Michael Moore &#124; YugaTech &#124; Philippine Technology News &#38; Reviews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Google hearts Sicko and Michael Moore &#124; YugaTech &#124; Philippine Technology News &#38; Reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To understand what this is all about, read my post on PTB &#8212; &#8220;Some Googlers shouldn’t be allowed to blog&#8220;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] To understand what this is all about, read my post on PTB &#8212; &#8220;Some Googlers shouldn’t be allowed to blog&#8220;. [...]</p>
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